Comments on: Lawsuit pits state law vs. UK regulations http://kykernel.com/2010/02/02/lawsuit-pits-state-law-vs-uk-regulations/ Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:23:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Anti-Feminist, Evangelical, Gun Nut Criticizes the Kernel. « The Kentucky Idea http://kykernel.com/2010/02/02/lawsuit-pits-state-law-vs-uk-regulations/comment-page-1/#comment-12443 Anti-Feminist, Evangelical, Gun Nut Criticizes the Kernel. « The Kentucky Idea Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:09:17 +0000 http://kykernel.com/?p=25448#comment-12443 [...] a column opining how the Kernel had completely missed the point on the lawsuit brought against UK after it suspended and fired a UK hospital employee for having a concealed weapon in his car (with a license to carry) parked on UK property. [...] [...] a column opining how the Kernel had completely missed the point on the lawsuit brought against UK after it suspended and fired a UK hospital employee for having a concealed weapon in his car (with a license to carry) parked on UK property. [...]

]]> By: Juan http://kykernel.com/2010/02/02/lawsuit-pits-state-law-vs-uk-regulations/comment-page-1/#comment-12411 Juan Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:34:06 +0000 http://kykernel.com/?p=25448#comment-12411 Jason I live in Fl. and I have no idea what LFUCG is. But if that is the county law enforcement agency there, it's not a lot of money. If that were campus annual operating budget, yeah ur right it should be crime free mostly. Jason I live in Fl. and I have no idea what LFUCG is. But if that is the county law enforcement agency there, it’s not a lot of money. If that were campus annual operating budget, yeah ur right it should be crime free mostly.

]]> By: Juan http://kykernel.com/2010/02/02/lawsuit-pits-state-law-vs-uk-regulations/comment-page-1/#comment-12410 Juan Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:21:45 +0000 http://kykernel.com/?p=25448#comment-12410 If someone is robbing u Jason, they already have a gun out pointed at u. You don't have two seconds to pull your weapon and aim, that is my point. Sometimes you may get a "bad feeling" or a little nervous, whatever, but it never gonna happen from twenTy feet away. If someone is robbing u Jason, they already have a gun out pointed at u. You don’t have two seconds to pull your weapon and aim, that is my point. Sometimes you may get a “bad feeling” or a little nervous, whatever, but it never gonna happen from twenTy feet away.

]]> By: Jason http://kykernel.com/2010/02/02/lawsuit-pits-state-law-vs-uk-regulations/comment-page-1/#comment-12301 Jason Sun, 07 Feb 2010 18:12:28 +0000 http://kykernel.com/?p=25448#comment-12301 Juan, if someone is robbing you, it doesn't happen in less than 2 seconds... the time it takes to draw a weapon and aim. If someone comes up to me and tries to rob me of my wallet, what looks like reaching for a wallet would be the same move for my firearm. It is called a CONCEALED carry for a reason. We do not carry it in our hands at all times. Come on now, use common sense. And touching on the "professional security force," LFUCG police department has an annual budget of over $49 million. With all that money, why isn't Fayette County crime free under your reasoning? What about the armed robberies this summer when someone with a knife robbed people three or so nights in a week on Rose Street? I'm not advocating for the "Western Gunslingers" that you speak of... just the ability to protect myself when obviously UK police and any other law enforcement agency cannot prevent crime. Being a person with a CCDW license, I would rather have a firearm at all times and never use it than need it and not have it. Juan, if someone is robbing you, it doesn’t happen in less than 2 seconds… the time it takes to draw a weapon and aim. If someone comes up to me and tries to rob me of my wallet, what looks like reaching for a wallet would be the same move for my firearm. It is called a CONCEALED carry for a reason. We do not carry it in our hands at all times. Come on now, use common sense. And touching on the “professional security force,” LFUCG police department has an annual budget of over $49 million. With all that money, why isn’t Fayette County crime free under your reasoning? What about the armed robberies this summer when someone with a knife robbed people three or so nights in a week on Rose Street? I’m not advocating for the “Western Gunslingers” that you speak of… just the ability to protect myself when obviously UK police and any other law enforcement agency cannot prevent crime.
Being a person with a CCDW license, I would rather have a firearm at all times and never use it than need it and not have it.

]]> By: Juan http://kykernel.com/2010/02/02/lawsuit-pits-state-law-vs-uk-regulations/comment-page-1/#comment-12300 Juan Sun, 07 Feb 2010 16:42:01 +0000 http://kykernel.com/?p=25448#comment-12300 Look, in a real life scenario if somebody is intent on robbing you, having a gun on you is not going to stop it. The reaction time will always be against the victim. Always, unless people are carrying the weapon in their hand. Anyone who thinks that a mugging takes place like a western movie is delusional. Really take time and think it through. Tons of lighting, safe corridors which are constantly patrolled by a professional security force, in my opinion, are much better options than having a bunch of testosterone ladden gunslingers walking around on campus. I think evreyone should own a gun. Bear arms and protect your home. It should be the responsibility of police to protect public areas and work with campus security to protect the campus. also Jason, I have already conceeded that UK is in the wrong. Look, in a real life scenario if somebody is intent on robbing you, having a gun on you is not going to stop it. The reaction time will always be against the victim. Always, unless people are carrying the weapon in their hand. Anyone who thinks that a mugging takes place like a western movie is delusional. Really take time and think it through.
Tons of lighting, safe corridors which are constantly patrolled by a professional security force, in my opinion, are much better options than having a bunch of testosterone ladden gunslingers walking around on campus.

I think evreyone should own a gun. Bear arms and protect your home. It should be the responsibility of police to protect public areas and work with campus security to protect the campus.
also Jason, I have already conceeded that UK is in the wrong.

]]> By: Eric http://kykernel.com/2010/02/02/lawsuit-pits-state-law-vs-uk-regulations/comment-page-1/#comment-12267 Eric Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:09:51 +0000 http://kykernel.com/?p=25448#comment-12267 Dave, people with a concealed carry license are not out everywhere to prevent crime... it is for self-defense. In Texas, murder rates fell 50% faster than the national average in the year after their concealed carry law passed. Rape rates fell 93% faster in the first year after enactment 500% faster in the second. Assaults fell 250% faster in the second year. Deaths and injuries from mass public shootings fall dramatically after right-to-carry concealed handgun laws are enacted. Between 1977 and 1995, the average death rate from mass shootings plummeted by up to 91% after such laws went into effect, and injuries dropped by over 80%. All have been pulled from: http://www.concealedcampus.org/pdf/ccw_gun_facts.pdf Like Re. Person, Jim, Jason, & Chris have stated, he was found not guilty in the case in federal court. Let some unknown student go up against a prosecution with limitless resources and money and see who comes out on top. With the feds having over 98% conviction rate, I would be safe to say he didn't get away with anything and was innocent. Dave, people with a concealed carry license are not out everywhere to prevent crime… it is for self-defense. In Texas, murder rates fell 50% faster than the national average in the year after their concealed carry law passed. Rape rates fell 93% faster in the first year after enactment 500% faster in the second. Assaults fell 250% faster in the second year. Deaths and injuries from mass public shootings fall dramatically after right-to-carry concealed handgun laws are enacted. Between 1977 and 1995, the average death rate from mass shootings plummeted by up to 91% after such laws went into effect, and injuries dropped by over 80%.

All have been pulled from:
http://www.concealedcampus.org/pdf/ccw_gun_facts.pdf

Like Re. Person, Jim, Jason, & Chris have stated, he was found not guilty in the case in federal court. Let some unknown student go up against a prosecution with limitless resources and money and see who comes out on top. With the feds having over 98% conviction rate, I would be safe to say he didn’t get away with anything and was innocent.

]]> By: Dave Thomas http://kykernel.com/2010/02/02/lawsuit-pits-state-law-vs-uk-regulations/comment-page-1/#comment-12266 Dave Thomas Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:06:29 +0000 http://kykernel.com/?p=25448#comment-12266 WOW looks like Mr Mitchell has been through the criminal justice system before just run his name...... Might be some bigger issues here.... Where there is smoke there is usually a fire......wait maybe i shouldnt use that one sorry Michael WOW looks like Mr Mitchell has been through the criminal justice system before just run his name…… Might be some bigger issues here…. Where there is smoke there is usually a fire……wait maybe i shouldnt use that one sorry Michael

]]> By: Dave Thomas http://kykernel.com/2010/02/02/lawsuit-pits-state-law-vs-uk-regulations/comment-page-1/#comment-12265 Dave Thomas Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:00:21 +0000 http://kykernel.com/?p=25448#comment-12265 Jason Gunowner-------If you think just because people on campus are carrying guns (or would be allowed too) that no criminal would have thoughts about attacking someone...Please explain why in the rest of the commonwealth where people can carry CCDW the news has reports of people being killed, robbed, assaulted all the time!!!!!!!!!! That is the reason why the law will not be overturned........wise up Jason Gunowner——-If you think just because people on campus are carrying guns (or would be allowed too) that no criminal would have thoughts about attacking someone…Please explain why in the rest of the commonwealth where people can carry CCDW the news has reports of people being killed, robbed, assaulted all the time!!!!!!!!!! That is the reason why the law will not be overturned……..wise up

]]> By: Jason Gunowner http://kykernel.com/2010/02/02/lawsuit-pits-state-law-vs-uk-regulations/comment-page-1/#comment-12261 Jason Gunowner Sat, 06 Feb 2010 11:45:59 +0000 http://kykernel.com/?p=25448#comment-12261 Juan, a firearm in a car is NO help to being robbed on campus! That's my point! Where are the great "gun-free zone" policies to stop those armed robberies? Surely the criminals know that there is a policy against weapons on campus... Ha! The issue is that with the policy they have, it violates paragraph 4 or 526.020... Statute stating that anyone with a CCDW can have a gun in their car legally without violating the law on gun-free zones. UK is infringing on his right to carry elsewhere by stating he cannot... That means from his house to UK he cannot have a gun according to UK when state law says he can. If people were armed on campus (like they are anywhere else, I'd be willing to bet a criminal may have second thoughts on attacking someone. All UK is doing is creating a resistance-free area for criminals to strike. Universities in Utah all promote concealed carry & and crime has gone down. Juan, a firearm in a car is NO help to being robbed on campus! That’s my point! Where are the great “gun-free zone” policies to stop those armed robberies? Surely the criminals know that there is a policy against weapons on campus… Ha! The issue is that with the policy they have, it violates paragraph 4 or 526.020… Statute stating that anyone with a CCDW can have a gun in their car legally without violating the law on gun-free zones. UK is infringing on his right to carry elsewhere by stating he cannot… That means from his house to UK he cannot have a gun according to UK when state law says he can. If people were armed on campus (like they are anywhere else, I’d be willing to bet a criminal may have second thoughts on attacking someone. All UK is doing is creating a resistance-free area for criminals to strike. Universities in Utah all promote concealed carry & and crime has gone down.

]]> By: Juan http://kykernel.com/2010/02/02/lawsuit-pits-state-law-vs-uk-regulations/comment-page-1/#comment-12251 Juan Sat, 06 Feb 2010 06:29:53 +0000 http://kykernel.com/?p=25448#comment-12251 Jason, how exactly does a gun in a glovebox help wile being robbed on campus? Jim will no doubt lobby for students and faculty to walk around campus locked and loaded, eh Jim? Maybe get some fully automatics to carry just in case? That should keep you safe. Hotheads like those who get bent out of shape online in a comments column are probably the best example of why we should all walk around strapped to the hilt. Jason, how exactly does a gun in a glovebox help wile being robbed on campus?
Jim will no doubt lobby for students and faculty to walk around campus locked and loaded, eh Jim? Maybe get some fully automatics to carry just in case? That should keep you safe.
Hotheads like those who get bent out of shape online in a comments column are probably the best example of why we should all walk around strapped to the hilt.

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